Chinese view of Westerners

American election -hooray for Trump

Destroy and Rebuild

Just a quick post, because this website is meant to be about trials in logic after all, not what was inevitable.

That Drumpf got elected was not illogical, it was the culmination of a shitty public education system that isn’t aimed at producing citizens that can’t think critically.

How did they arrive at a shitty situation in which their public education was this bad?
By a group of elites that realise that in order to get richer, other people need to get poorer.  And how can you guarantee that people en-masse get poorer?

By making them dumber of course.  America’s reputation, or at least stereotype or ignorant, fat people stems from somewhere, and ultimately its foundation is the American public school system.

By not giving people the tools to understand the system in which they live in, and how they can benefit from that system, or.. even what their place in that system before they can even think about changing it, means that people won’t know what needs to change, let alone how to change it.

There’s a reason why those very same elites that forge such a situation don’t send their children into public schools, and it’s because they ultimately want to make more money, and if they’re not taught the right things, raised in the right environment that show how the country actually works…then they won’t have the tools to ensure they can continue to make money.

You might be thinking that I’m saying that these ‘elites’ are Republicans.  Hahaha no.
Republicans, for the most part are stupid.  Most people are aware of that.  What the elites do however is create a neat bundle of sophistry and present their real agenda to the common republicans which end up pushing it themselves without really knowing how it will affect them.

We don’t need to teach evolution in schools; an image that you need to be religious to be president; the idea that the definition of the word ‘socialism’ actually means communism, and that communism = oppression.  The very worrying mathematical equation that it is somehow possible to lower taxes whilst providing more services that are not publicly funded whilst also making them more affordable, whilst also not increasing government debt; or that corporate competition will provide morality, and in relation to the previous point- that if such services were provided by the corporations it would be cheaper and provide better service than if it was done through public channels.

Republicans believe all of this, mostly because words and mathematics seem to confuse them, and so essentially can’t be bothered adding up all the details to understand for themselves that it is not possible.
However, the elites that are guiding the Republicans, of course know that’s not possible, but when your aim is to make yourself richer whilst making other people poorer, it doesn’t have to be a balanced equation.

In fact their real equation is that if government is smaller then the government can be less efficient at passing regulation that limits their profit making potential.

If government is smaller then they can’t provide necessary social services which lead to the betterment of lives for everyone in the country.
& if there is no betterment of lives, then people will struggle more to live a life that they want, and will likely not concentrate on working rather than further education or trying to understand things that don’t immediately affect them, but yet may affect their children.

& ultimately people received less education about the system in place around them and how they fit into it all, and because they don’t have the ability to think so much end up buying goods & services that they don’t really need, or end up enrolling in ‘get ahead’ schemes because they don’t have the capacity to realise that they won’t work nor that the people in charge of selling such things only care about profit.

Think about Drumpf’s own Drumpf University.

Drumpf may be stupid, but also whether unconsciously or consciously, he is doing things in the exact way that you CAN do things in America.  Avoiding paying taxes, creative accounting that means that because of 1 loss he doesn’t have to pay income tax for the next 18 years or so.

Drumpf “That makes me smart”

Well, yes, in a way that does.  He’s not wrong there.  He’s taking advantage of a system that was built by people like him (but not him), the elites, that have been guiding Republican agenda to make necessary changes within the legal system that ensures the rich stay rich and the poor stay not just poor but unaware that they will be poor in the future if they keep voting for people that will make the legal framework & general system work against them.

As much bullshit as Drumpf talks, he’s not wrong.
I’m not advocating him, I’m just saying that he HAS, whether you like it or not, got a point.  He is able to take advantage of a situation BECAUSE people like him have created that advantage to take.

Duping people in private universities.   Again a ridiculous gap that has been left in the education due to lack of regulation from the standard education.

By the way, it’s so nice to see so many chinese friends taking an interest in the election.  Almost as if they wanted to have some say themselves.

But like in everything, I’m sure the chinese gov. is monitoring their own people.  Even when there were the demonstrations against Japan, there were many Japanese cars that were damaged that were in fact ch. gov. cars with ch. gov. number plates.   Exasperation & disappointment towards another country or their government may also be veiled disappointment towards their own gov.

Why would the Chinese gov. be monitoring people that take an interest, especially if there’s too much interest in the American elections?   Because the system that allowed Drumpf to be voted in is the same system that the CCP has been promoting since 1978.  Yes, that whole ‘opening up policy’ was directly brought over from the USA with Deng Xiao Ping’s little trip over to America.

Of course they renamed it ‘Socialism with Chinese characteristics’ which many people know that study Chinese politics and government strategy is code for ‘Capitalism’.

What is not noted however, is that the real point of it is to ensure that those that are in power stay in power by constantly changing certain policies to ensure that the wealth and power stay at the top by creating a certain level of chaos at the bottom.  Misaligned focus is a way to do that. Patriotism, single minded focus against certain other countries, mis-information, propaganda, reducing the teaching of critical thinking in schools, creating a capitalist society and environment in which people need products that they don’t actually need and …reducing social services to a point where people need to work in order to survive.
If they are only focused on working, then they can’t possibly focus on changing the system in place that has them held in that position.  And therefore they are more susceptible for being screwed in the future by the people at the top.

For a very obvious example- The Chinese education system is also terrible.  Chinese government and business elites, also send their children abroad to study, and…specifically to American elite schools.  Not to public schools, but to the elite schools.  Because if it’s the elite schools that do so well in providing the right guidance for the education of elites, and it is the top America leaders that has shown China the way.  As it was the top British elite that showed American leaders the way.

In fact, this is not new at all, it is simply a perfection of the system.

What Drumpf has shown, quite ironically, is that the American system IS broken.  If a person like him can get elected, with all the absolute bullshit that he says, and all the terrible things he has done, it’s not because despite the fact that it is terrible people who elected him, it’s that the system in place has allowed him to do all of these things and allowed him to get away with it.

I imagine that some people DID vote for Drumpf, not because they think he is the best person to lead the country, but possibly because he is the worst.

With Hillary you are getting more of the same shit, more stagnation of Congress, more not moving forward with changing the education system, more complete halt in gun control, more dodgy arms deals which lead to future wars which eventually fuel the elites to continue to make money.

But with Drumpf you get Chaos, provided that he really can’t be controlled.

Some people that voted for Drumpf are doing so on the basis that to make things better you have to destroy and rebuild.

And who is better at destroying things than Drumpf?

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The collective perspective. – Subjugating oneself to being insulted

From a wechat conversation
Someone posted a video they took themselves of a car crashed & burning on the 2nd ring road, in Beijing.

A = the guy that took & posted the original video

 

A: Wonder how that’s even possible for a single car accident

Me: chinese drivers are awesome

Me: where there’s a will, there’s a way

Me: playing with his phone… and he / she had a samsung galaxy s7?

A: Uber had turned a nation of already bad drivers into something much much worse! Everybody is driving slowly while trying to locate their next customer

Tobias: Bigots

Tobis: Sometimes slow is the problem. Sometimes fast is the problem. Sometimes careless is the problem. Sometimes unprofessional is the problem.  Bigotry always has the upper hand though. Sick and tired of laowais thinking the know what the ‘problem’ of China is. Go home and solve your own issues. Nobody wants your opinions on china.

Tobias: *They

B: Well, hopefully it thins out the crowd on the highways know what I’m sayin’….

Me: chinese person crashes …in china, unprofessional?  ehhh yep. because the professional thing would be not to crash, since when has being ‘professional’ meant that you can drive a car without crashing? or catching on fire?

And yeah, all this points to laowais should go home and fix their own problems. … brilliant.

or bigotry apparently

smartest sequence of conclusions I’ve seen for a while.

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Rant (not said on the wechat group…which is why we’ve now got an article): go home and solve our own problems?

-you have to realise that a lot of us (with the exception of USA) are coming from countries that don’t really have many problems…or at least not the problems that are interesting and as challenging as China’s.

-We are here to put our great detective skills up to the challenge

-we are like the detective from another agency that looks about to steal your case away from you….

-relax, we’re doing your job so you don’t have to… don’t fight it, just know that the professionals have been called in

-plus we know that you raising a hand against the government can mean bad news for you, we’re simply removing that as an option… if anything you should be more relaxed by our ponderings

-what’s more, you don’t have to defend idiots from foreign scrutinisation just because they are also Chinese….Idiots are idiots, that is not the bonding aspects.

-Idiots in China, are …obviously as a majoirty, Chinese., but not all Chinese are idiots….. to confuse the 2 however places you in the basket of the idiots.

-to take offence for others idiocy,….is in fact idiotic in itself, so well done, give yourself a pat on the back, you’ve reacted in a collective fashion to an individual case of idiocy in a situation that demanded no connection to that individual, unless of course you HAVE been in that situation before…

so you’ve reacted to the scrutiny of 1 individual and taken as an attack on yourself because you’ve deemed yourself as fitting into a collective disposition not as idiots, but as Chinese….which was not neccesarily related.

And the only rational, sensible thing to do in reacting to such a situation, is of course taking an offensive position against the ‘attacker’ , but not as the individual…. oh no, but as the collective that that individual must obviously fit into.

And what pray, collective group is that?

Foreigners…. oh yes, everyone that is not in YOUR collective.

or as you put it….laowai.

Laowai, the term used either by foreigners living in china which use it ironically to showcase how the other group,- the nationalistic, narrow-minded, possibly jaded in some way douchebag chinese also use it.

or by Nongs..   but nongs will be nongs

Note. not all chinese are douchebags, not all are narrow minded, and not all consider themselves as part of the collective, ….just people the emanate all of the above qualities

Given the context as well…

what? the dude that crashed and somehow managed to have his car catch on fire… couldn’t possibly be Chinese?

Why do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to reach?

China, Beijing a city of 20 million or so, with a population of 100,000 foreigners…. of which maybe only 3% have their drivers license, and of which the majority live outside the 2nd ring road….

(from where this scene was taken)

yeah… I think it has a pretty high chance that the driver of this car was Chinese

And nobody wants your opinions on China?

No, you don’t want MY opinions on China.
Especially when they point out the error in your own opinions.

You don’t want to be insulted, which is fair enough, not many people do, but YOU being insulted in this situation, is your own fault, because this situation didn’t call for you to be insulted… you simply took that upon yourself.

And by the way, I’m sorry I didn’t know that in sharing the blame for this individuals idiocy you are also standing up for and are the voice of the collective that you’ve taken it upon yourself to be a part of

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

All laowai look the same

I had a mini argument with a Chinese friend over the fact that she said ‘ I think all laowai look the same’

To which I pointed out that some people are black, and some people have orange hair… and apparently that was too much logic for her to handle… and I haven’t heard back from her.

I thought originally that Chinese people just said ‘Laowai all look alike’ because it was a childish retort to some people saying ‘all Asians look alike’

As if it was a ‘I know you are, but what am I?’  kind of thing

But I think there’s many that can’t tell the difference….  and what’s ironic, is that they also can’t tell the difference between Koreans, Japanese and Chinese… I think that’s very funny too.

why? no why.

16th September 2015
Recently when some Chinese guy asked where I was from, and I said Australia, I was surprised to hear a different reaction than the standard “oh Australia…yeah yeah…kangaroo, kangaroo, kangaroo!”

Instead he said…. “I think Australian’s are racist towards Chinese people”
When i gave him a quizzical look, he continued…
“recently there’s been some things in the news about Australians not treating Chinese people very well…….like i don’t know why  Australian people don’t like Chinese”

First of all…. Hahaha I think it’s funny that this guy dropped the ‘racist’ bomb when he is Chinese, but then again Chinese have throughout history have never seen the irony in anything they’ve said or done. In my view Chinese people are the greatest practitioners of unknowing, unintentional irony.

Anyway, 2nd – wow a Chinese guy that actually knows a bit about what’s going on in the world. …well… I didn’t get too hopeful about that, because as you’ve seen…he’s done the classic Chinese thing  of jumping straight to the result, and not asking why an event culminated in that result.  Basically just not asking why.
But he’s grown up in the Chinese education system… where this ‘why?’ is not a big area of focus.
So that, I can forgive.

A classic example of this is , 为什么？  没有为什么. （why? , no why? ）
Brilliant!
Really promotes the open education system they’ve got going on here.  And what’s more is that people generally seem satisfied with that answer.  Amazing.

Right, where was I?  Oh right, Australia, racists, Chinese… irony, not understanding there could be a reason..blah de blah,

What I find strange is that this confuses the mainland Chinese people.   Well to be honest, not strange, because as you can see above… I can justify this in some way .

No, we don’t like MAINLAND Chinese, because you nuggets don’t integrate and in the meantime take the time to insult us in your own language about the country in which you now have the privilege to live in , whilst also simultaneously ripping on our culture.
And  we’re expected to be friendly towards you because of that?

Idiocy….

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Not racist—- hahahaha

(21st August 2015)
Interesting quote from the lonely planet guide book ~ circa 1997 by a random Chinese lady (and common held belief as I’ve heard it personally many times before..) “there is no racism in China because there are no black people”

Hahaha. Well for a start, why just black people?  For you to single out black people in the first place, isn’t that kind of inferring that the only people worth discrimination against are black people?

That’s a pretty bad reason, and it doesn’t seem to hold your civility and culture in the highest of regard in terms of openness, and acceptance for diversity. It’s as if you’re saying ‘we’re not racist because those black people/ those people worth being racist to are not here….so we can’t possibly be, but …if they were here…we’d have nothing to hold us back’
Plus a person that people are racist to doesn’t have to be physically present for racist thoughts, pre-conceived or bigoted ideas to present themselves.  Usually this happens from ignorance BECAUSE people don’t know enough about a culture, or a race…or BECAUSE they have no opportunity to meet them physically and come to their own conclusions…. Therefore because “there are no black people” , people are likely to be more ignorant and therefore more induced with preconceived ideas about the people they know nothing about. And because this is combined with what the government shows them on the news images of poorer people & generally negative images of Africa, and Chinese people’s general dislike to the colour black…especially for skin colour, then this very limited but chosen information combined with the lack of opportunity to meet actual black people in real life and decide for themselves, is likely to make them more discriminate, not less.

Adding to this is the Chinese people’s general ethnocentric nature. Which in loose terms asserts the notion that China as the middle kingdom has had a long and generally more sophisticated and civilised history as compared to other countries, and because of this- is generally the superior culture. Not necessarily the government system, but the culture attached to China/ the Han people…and therefore the people.  In Chinese thinking terms, it works as the Centre-periphery approach, not in terms of psychological approach that is often the case for acceptance of what is regarded as ‘Western’ countries, but that of a geographical approach.
As in the further outside of the physical centre that is China and the Chinese/ Han culture you go…the less civilised the people.  Therefore Africa, being incredibly far from China is naturally seen as an uncivilised group of people.  Europe whilst obviously far away from China has been proved over time to offer a degree of civility and culture, but obviously this wasn’t always the case, especially when compared to China 3,000 years ago.

Does anyone know what i’m talking about?
Why is it so quiet in here?