I’m against stupid people

france no elecotrial college

I hate it when are people just post shit without understanding it.

I’m not anti-left, anti-right, against trump voters, against religion or anything like this, I’m just against stupid people.

Stupid people camp out in all these groups, and that’s who I’m truly angry with -the illogical, mentally deficient people of this world.

You can be cradling the correct answer, the least-dumb opinion, however if you don’t have the logic to be able to justify this, or make a reasonable argument as to why you believe this, … or just whole-heartedly take it as fact because that’s what you were taught and you didn’t question it… then you might find yourself actually part of the stupid group that I’m talking about.

This picture was posted in one of the social media chat groups I’m in.

When you read it, you’re like ‘oh yeah’ that does make sense, but considering the context it is posted in, it’s also a jab at the American political system whereby the Electoral College system ultimately is the decision for electing the President of the United States.

Some people don’t understand this, but unfortunately it’s just because they don’t want to understand it, and are the typical not-so logical people that I’m talking about.
If it’s a system in place, and has been for many years, you’ve got to wonder to yourself…
‘why is this the case?’
‘I wonder how it works?’…
‘I wonder what the potential situations are for which this would be required?’
If you just assume ‘ah it must be because it’s an old system and other people are stupid… that’s why it was never changed’
…. Then.. I’m sorry,  but you’re not thinking enough.

I realise that in this day and age, there’s such thing as trolling with the whole ‘pressing people’s buttons to try and cause a reaction’ and in this case ‘pretending not to understand the Electoral College’  just so someone can have a rant …and waste a huge amount of their own time.  (much like I’m doing now)

But, what happens if people don’t realise that others are trolling?  And by the way, from this particular post, from a guy nicknamed Sunny… I’m pretty sure it’s not trolling because he just posts this dumbass shit all the time.

I wrote a comment just asking if this was trolling, noting that no one should be still pretending to not understand the Electoral College system.  And I got this juicy number back.

<with all due respect.. “electoral college my ass.”. rules are meant to be change.. it was created like almost 300 hundred years ago, is not useful anymore.>
<The world “Democracy” means one man or women one vote. anything else after that is crap.>

For which after some other person said <no more political discussions>

I carefully wrote back

<Well because I’m not allowed to be political I have to phrase this more simply…
I just want to check @Sunny , you’re not a native English speaker right? And if you are… You might want to check on the definition of words before you just type whatever you assume it means, otherwise you might come across as an uneducated fool.
For your continuing education though… Just YouTube your confusions… No more reading for you, as this obviously proved too difficult with the definitions.>

For me, that was harsh.  If someone IS truly mentally deficient, then at least they’re usually not in a place of influence.   (Drumpf..reality check)

But usually they won’t be able to be qualified as teachers, or educators in anyway, so their impact is less severe.
However, in today’s modern world, any non-thinking, not-so-educated person can get on social media and start to influence other not-so-educated, non-thinking people.
In my mind, this is sad as it presents a new avenue for people to become stupid.

If people can’t be bothered to educate themselves, I think it’s terrible to be in a position to influence and ‘educate’ others.

This guy’s comment though… just shows he has no idea.  I’ve had to explain why such a system is in place to people that I know before.
Normally these people are very hot-blooded people.
They are quick to judge without finding out all the information.
However once you give 1 or 2 examples, which in my mind.. they should have been able to get themselves if they just spent a little longer ‘putting themselves in another’s shoes’,then they reluctantly admit…whilst secretely hating you for pointing it out, that ‘yes, this does make sense… and I guess it’s more fair like that’.

For example, if the states with the most people in them decided that the states that had the majority of resources but least people should just handover all the tax income for those resources to the federal government, just because the majority of people voted for it… Would that be fair?

The people of that State would want to secede from the rest of the nation to stop their resources and their income from flowing too much outside their State. And when they have a vote to secede it will be knocked down by the rest of the country, because obviously they don’t want this income source to disappear.

Just because the majority of people want to do something, doesn’t mean that its fair.

I think… and I use this term lightly because who knows what this guy is really thinking…. I think this guy’s meaning is that democracy is a ‘more fair’ political system.
Which is a noble notion.
That was, after all its intention.

However, since its inception, democracy has not been what it is today, it is constantly changing.  And what was considered ‘fair’ 100 years ago, is.. not what it is today.  However, the principle of the majority wins… clearly has its flaws.

For example, the majority of people used to believe the world was flat. 1 smart cookie after another proved otherwise… and eventually opinions were changed.  The majority of people in the United States were once for slavery… and in fact even democratically voted for slavery.  Does that make it fair on those enslaved?


For years the majority of voters were against women having the vote… does that make it fair for what women want?
Again the answer is no.

Whenever there is a vote, the outcome is always going to disadvantage someone, and in fact just because the majority of ‘voters’ want it… doesn’t necessarily make it fair.
The Electoral College is actually a pretty smart way of adjusting how the majority of population will have an effect on different states with a minority of people.

‘Hey’, says the majority of people, ‘let’s make all the states that are in the centre of the USA slaves’

centralUSA states

This would represent 39.45% of the population, and include 20 states.  So if the entire rest of the country voted for this ‘make central USA states population slaves’, then they would actually have the majority.


Well that seems like a fair thing to do right?
Fucking No.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but it’s this kind of examples for which the Electoral College system was enacted.
Each state has a designated amount of Electoral votes.

Electoral college votes per state
As you might be able to tell, most of this is based on population.  For example Texas has 38, while California has 55, (0.67) This ratio is very similar to the population comparison ratio.  Just as Texas as compared to Florida & it’s population & electoral votes.  (0.76)

However, for the smaller states and populations, the very minimum electoral votes they can have is 3.

The seven smallest states by population – AlaskaDelawareMontanaNorth DakotaSouth DakotaVermont, and Wyoming – have three electors each. This is because each of these states is entitled to one representative and two senators.

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)#Electors)

Take an example like Alaska compared to California.

State Population Population ratio Electoral votes Votes ratio
Alaska 741,894 0.0189 3 0.054
Florida 39,250,017 55

So as you might be able to see the ratio is bigger for Electoral votes as compared to just simply population.  But to be fair, it’s a drop in the ocean.

The point is, is that just because population votes in the majority it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fair.

An extra point… words have definitions.
I know I’ve been through this before, but.. the definition of a word isn’t whatever the fuck you assume it to be.
There is an actual definition.
Just by saying that ‘democracy means one man or women, one vote’ doesn’t actually mean that that’s the correct definition.

If you don’t know… or are not sure… look it up.


democracy definition ca


democracy definition oxford

Just because you have the feeling that the word means something… it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true.

Many people confuse the definition of the word racism, and are happy to spout it whenever they are offended directly, or feel offended on behalf of someone else.  Just look it up, it’s generally discrimination based purely on someone’s race.

If Person A is being an absolute annoying fucktard, by driving like a piece of shit because they are on the phone all the time… and they happen to be black, Asian, Jewish, native …whatever race they are… other people legitimately have a right to call out those actions.
This is not racism.
People should generally be judged on actions before anything else.
To call it racism, is showing a lack of understanding for what actual racism is, and in my mind it’s belittling a serious issue by getting such things confused.

Definitions are important, if you don’t know it, look it up.  Otherwise you come across as an uneducated fool and you will embarrass yourself.  Use these correct definitions in the correct context… it’s not so difficult provided you’re willing to think a little.

And in my humble opinion, I think it’s a great shame that people don’t correct the people not willing to think about important things for more than a couple of seconds.
In today’s modern age, these less-than-intelligent people have access to influence more people like them.
And if we’ve seen anything recently, with the power of the vote… this can be a dangerous thing.

Magic…I mean Moronic Mike ruins his bike, blames others

This is taken from the chat history yesterday from a motorbike group that I’m in.

This is a large group with around 200 people in it, and 2 guys decide that life is unfair and see if they can shift the results of their problems onto someone else.

In this conversation I am d, (…the one getting berated),
M- is the guy that actually bought my old bike,
A is M’s friend. 
And there’s a bunch of others (B, h, Nd) that are sharing their opinions on the matter.

…This is a rather long conversation, but it’s just incredibly frustrating…

Especially considering this is now 6 months down the road, from after I sold my bike to M.

A- Hey d
A- Why did you sell my buddy a lemon bike then refuse to take responsibility for it?
A- Just wondering.
d- it wasn’t a lemon when i had it. there was an overheating problem like all 2012 models, for which there was a manual fan installed. other than that, when i was riding it there were no problems
d- and its a benelli, so the general build quality was not great. but i think a few of you are aware of that
A-  Sure.
A- Cool story bro. Stinks of fish.
B- When you buy a second hand bike take it to be checked before buy or it is the buyers fault
A- The cylinder was fucked and needed replacing
A- You didn’t tell the buyer that
B- Should never trust the sell. Take it to provide.if not it is the buyers fault
A- Thanks for the morality check B. No one asked your ignorant ass.
R- Can and will, I already inquired about getting a set of hubs from the manufacture, but supermotard rims are smaller than the offroad ones
B- If you post in public I am free to comment. If it makes you cry you don’t have to talk in public
R- so basically a second set of wheels to swap around   [because there are other conversations going on]
A- B ‘cash only’ if your name is any indication of how you do business then no wonder you have such philosophy
B- Good one
B- No wonder why you got scammed
A- Sure you can comment. I’m just saying, no one asked, and as far as I can tell you’ve contributed nothing to this group so shut ur fucking trap
B- Np
A- I didn’t get scammed you total imbecile
B- Haha.
A- Well don’t for changing ur name fast.
d- i didn’t know about a screwed cylinder. true i didn’t check everything before i sold the bike. but to be honest i was selling as is. all i knew about was the overheating problem
B- Big wordd
A- ur a clever boy rnt u
B- Why would I change my name
B- At least it is a guy name
A- So, why wouldn’t you do the right thing when you FOUND OUT the cylinder was fucked and do right by your buyer?
A- Just wondering.
d- what do you mean by do right?
B- Why would you
A- Do the right thing.
d- he never told me it was fucked. he just said he spent money fixing it
A- Do the honest thing
A- Do the correct thing

d- what is the honest thing?
A- Do the honourable thing
B- How does he know if the guy didn’t know to check the oil or when to shift. Maybe your friend screwed up
A- Shit, I’m gonna have to play your daddy now

A- “Son, the honest thing to do would be to cover the cost of that cylinder”
d- i was told he took off the manual switch for the fan.
B- Don’t pay for that. It not your fault.
A- B, you’re a typical craigslist piece of shit
A- I don’t blame you
A- I just don’t want you in this room.
d- why is that the honest thing? if i didn’t know that was a problem when i sold it, how do i know that that didn’t start when he started riding
A- I certainly don’t want you doing business with anyone in this group
B- @A I don’t want you here
A- You’re unbelievable
B- I have bought bikes on here. Just know what to do not to get scammed
A- So you’re admitting it was a scam?
M- There is no way you didn’t know
M- I had problems from the first day I owned it
B- If I don’t know the bike. I know enough to take it to shop before I give cash
d- i really didn’t know. you can keep blaming me if you want, but i’m not sure that makes it any better
A- @B, shut ur pie hole, you’ve exposed yourself as a dishonest piece of shit with nothing to add to this group, fuck off.
M- So it just a coincident that all these problems started when my ass touched the seat for the first time?
M- Likely story
B- Who is?
h–grabs popcorn- what’s up?
R- Not on anyones side, but I did hear about M’s bike giving him alot of problems
B- I’m just having a great time driving you crazy
A- Yea…craaaayyyyzeeee
B- Don’t cry everything will be okay
M- There is NO way you didn’t know there was some kind of problem
B- Fun times over back to work
A- B has nothing to add to this group so can be kicked.

P- How much did it cost to replace the cylinder?
B- @A Neither do you
d- as i said , there was an overheating problem . thats all i knew about
M- Bullshit
M- I’ll never believe you

M- All in all I spent close to 10k and all winter getting it fixed
M- Also had electrical problems from the fan that was installed
M- I’m assuming from the fan
M- New generator, new cylinder, 4 new spark plugs 4 times

M- And removal of the fan
A- @B, your days in this group are numbered [Chuckle]
A- Take contacts while you can because you’re not welcome here.
M- Plus the money for vans taking it to various mechanics and not to mentioned a shot load more money I lost from not being able to get to work after breaking down umpteen times
A- d, you have a chance to make it right with M, in front of the group. What do you think is the right thing to do?
M- He’s gonna do nothing
M-  Because he’s a fucking scumbag
M- He won’t make it right, if he was that kind of guy he wouldn’t have sold it without telling me the problems in the first place
h- I purchased 2 bikes from him, never had any issue. When you buy 2nd hand, something you have to know is mechanics, if you don’t bring a guy who knows that. In any bargain second-hand from private to private you can’t blame the previous owner for any hidden defect.
Nd- I agree
Nd- I also bought stuff from d before.
B- Right
h- big cylinders are lottery, some comes with bunch of problems some are nice, you just got unlucky, crying about it won’t fix your cylinder
M- Yeah ok guys. I’m an idiot for trusting him. I agree
A- seriously
M- I also didn’t start this convo so you can’t say I’m crying about it
B- I bought a bike. Found some problems. Didn’t blame just fixed it and moved on
A- The attitude of some people is unreal
d- I try to help this group as much as possible with licencing knowledge, bike knowledge and everything. if there’s stuff that i know, i’ll say.. but if i don’t …i can’t say. I’m not out to scam anyone, but i’m not about to pay money to someone for something that i didn’t know was there

A- Honour amongst bikers? I thought there could be such a thing
B- I trust you d
A- There’s “problems” and there’s a broken engine
M- @B of you trust him you are as stupid as I was

h- chill out satan, no need for insults here
M- If was still in China I would give you a piece of my mind but you aren’t. You sneaky c…nt
d- yes… i left china because of you…
M- So let’s say for a second you didn’t know, please explain why I had these problems from the first day I rode the bike but you “never” knew?????
M- You sold the bike because you were leaving, knowing of you sold it and stayed here it would come back to you
E- lol. wht have a missed?
M- Your buddy tells me you didn’t ride it often. Is that because you knew it was broken and couldn’t do more than 30 miles without it breaking down??
M- Or just another coincidence?
d- no because i used it to go to huairou and ride in the mountains. As he knows i had the Shineray for city riding, and that was great

Group owner- He is removed
M- Which one?

Chat history between myself & the group owner:

d- To fill you in on that story before i get kicked out of the group if you choose to do so, M bought my one of my bikes, (h bought the other) M- the benelli 600, its the 2012 model and had the overheating problem.
He bought it for cheap because i was leaving to go to the netherlands, he knew about the overheating problem, and i told him i installed a manual switch for the fan to combat it slightly.
He said yep, he bargained it down to 18,500 it came with an alarmed disc brake lock, and a massive chain that i paid 1,200 for.
And that was it

d-Then he told me he took off the manual switch…for… whatever reason… and then it had problems.
All the problems after that i have no idea about.
But what i do know, is that quality control for all the little parts on that bike, like mirrors, plastics…that kind of stuff was terrible

d- I try to help this group as much as possible with licencing knowledge , bike knowledge and everything. if there’s stuff that i know, i’ll say.. but if i don’t …i can’t say.
I’m not out to scam anyone, but i’m not about to pay money to someone for something that i didn’t know was there

Group owner: It’s ok man, shit can happen to everyone, even to me, I’ll talk with M and see what’s going on

d- That all being said… if you want to kick me out, I’m fine with that..

Group owner: Don’t worry, everything is fine so far

h, B, privately to me – What a little cry baby.

Ok so thoughts on all of this shit

He keeps saying throughout this barrage of shit that ‘I didn’t start this convo, so you can’t say I’m crying about it

Yeah, but you DID get your friend to start it, which means that you’re an even bigger cry baby because you didn’t want to do it yourself.

A, the guy that states ‘Well you have a chance to make it right with M, in front of the group. What do you think is the right thing to do?

Yeah, sure… I’m going to pay this dude 9-10k or something because… what?… I’m a dealership and I was offering a warranty, and M bought the bike new from me?
Like seriously think about that for a moment.  If you really did want money from someone… 1st off…would the best plan of action be to insult them first, and then ask for money?

No, only someone mentally deficient would do that.

2nd, I am not a dealership, this was a private seller to private buyer sale, which….does NOT come with a warranty.

Any situation like this, if you’re buying a bike, you’re buying AS IS.

Whatever problems it has, it is now yours when you buy it.

That’s why you go for a test ride, and check the bike out for yourself, or you bring a mechanic with you.

3rd.… the guy actually did go for a test ride and said, yep that’s the bike for me.

That whole ‘So it just a coincidence that all these problems started when my ass touched the seat for the first time?’ …
No man, you actually did a test drive, you rode it for yourself, you didn’t buy it ‘sight unseen’, it was working fine when I gave it to you, it wasn’t ‘just as soon as his bum touched the seat’… it must have happened a while after that…because otherwise you wouldn’t have test rode it and then decided ‘yeah, that’s the bike for me’.
What could I have done?, left China and then magically from a distance put a curse on it, for back in time so that … I don’t know anymore… this guy is just …lying basically. 
He rode it, he decided it was good, and then he bought it.  Day 1, can’t have been true, because otherwise you wouldn’t have decided to buy it.

4th , I did NOT know about this cylinder problem.  He & his friend berates me for saying, you knew about this before, you sold me a lemon, blah blah.. 

No, I did not.   And no amount of you telling me that I did, is going to make that any more true.

What I did say at the time of purchase, is that it DOES have an overheating problem, which is why there was a manual switch installed to keep the fan running all the time, and that the basic fiddly components is a bit shit, for example plastics, mirrors.

I told him that I had replaced the instrument cluster because it had stopped working in a recent thunder storm.

And I did inform him that because of the overheating problem I only used it to go to Huairou, (the mountain areas outside Beijing). 
This is because on the expressways and cool mountains roads the bike would handle really well, and the bike wouldn’t overheat because there was enough air-flow coming through.

I also said that I wouldn’t recommend it for city driving, and that as it has a 京B plate, you’re not technically meant to go inside the 4th ring road anyway.

Now I find out this guy constantly drives inside the 4th ring road, in stop-start traffic… and for some unknown reason took the manual switch for the fan off- the one thing that was holding the heat at bay; and now tells me that it’s developed problems ..cylinder problems.

Can I take a guess that the cylinder problems came from the overheating?   

Of course it overheated you idiot, you’ve just done everything that you weren’t meant to do, THAT as well, I was upfront about at the point of you buying the bike.

He states in the group chat, ‘Also had electrical problems from the fan that was installed
M- I’m assuming from the fan’
    Ok so this one is a bit obvious, he’s not too sure about it. 

But what I think he meant was because of the manual switch, which controlled the fan.   Because the fan is a stock unit that came with the bike.
The manual switch is just a simple switch, it just meant that instead of the computer telling the fan to turn on, a switch did, which meant you could run the fan from the beginning rather than waiting for it to heat up and then battle the massive heat.

…It doesn’t actually affect anything.

That being said, if you took this off… then it overheated…because you took it off, then you probably WILL have electrical problems.

If you took the fan off, because that was your preference, then that is your preference…and it has nothing to do with me, and might I add… it’s even more stupid.

One other thing that was not mentioned here was that in the advertisement I made originally about the bike, I said it is a legal bike, and as such had to be transferred to someone that actually had a license.

The situation was that the bike and the plate is registered to a private Chinese individual who when I originally bought it, it was a friend of a friend and we had a mutual understanding that I would take full responsibility in the event of crashes, speeding fines, and any misdemeanours involving the bike.

So, of course when we met to check out the bike, this was the 1st thing I asked him.

He said ‘no, but I’m in the process of getting it’.  (the license)

Which made me wary of course.
So I basically said, ‘look I haven’t got time to find another buyer, so I think I’ll just park it in a friend’s garage and he will sell it, but if you want to deal with him later when you have your license then you can do that.’

That night I was having my leaving dinner with a few close friends, and he ended up coming to the restaurant with the cash, the bargained down cash and said, ‘here’s my offer take it or leave it’  or something to that equivalent.

And, in the end, I took it.

And I’ve actually felt very guilty because I knew this guy didn’t have a license, so I’m not too sure what happens if this guy has a crash or something. 

I would take a decent guess that this guy still hasn’t got his license and has been driving around illegally all this time.

Which is shit, because if something does happen, then chances are the Chinese guy will be in trouble for it.  That’s what made me feel guilty.

Like I stated on the group, I’m an honest guy and will help whenever I can, I’ve been quite active in this group in giving advice to people to get their licenses and what not; but if this guy is going to continue being a dick to me and passing off his problems onto me, when he seems to have proved time and time again that he’s not so much a thinking individual, then I’m just not going to take it.

Of course I’m not going to pay this guy money for his repair costs, or even alleged repair costs, that is just stupid.  Plus, that is not the way it works.

Most motorbike riders, as B said, just go ‘ah shit…mmm ok’  fix it and then move on.

That’s what every motorbike rider I’ve met does.  Because from my experience, they are all generally nice, down to earth guys.

But this guy seems to be an outlier.   A dodgy outlier.  Shit happens to me, oh well…time to blame someone else.

Then he states ‘he’s peddling lemons’  

No,… how did you come to that conclusion?  
You’ve got 2 guys in the group that have bought stuff from me before, 1 guy even 2 other motorbikes for which all of it I was upfront and honest about.

So what?    1 out of 4 must = lemons
The one that you got wasn’t even a lemon, at least it wasn’t when I had it.

Now if you do everything that I recommended not doing, and considering that I was upfront from my point of view about things the bike did well, and problem areas; then clearly you’ve turned it into a lemon yourself.

As well, I can only inform people on what information I actually know, if I don’t know it, I can’t tell you about it.   It’s as simple as that.

So, a few options, leave the group, or do what I probably should have done a while ago, and tell the Chinese friend that he should report that the bike has been stolen to the police. 
That way nothing this mentally deficient guy does with the bike will impact my Chinese friend.

Obviously there are other knock-on effects if the police actually find the bike, or do a check on him.

And if he still hasn’t got his license… AND he’s driving a reported stolen bike… then….

Well, if he’s driving a bike without a license… depending just what level of license (foreign license, only Chinese car license etc), then the bike is taken away from him.

If he doesn’t have a license AND it’s reported stolen, then he’s likely to get deported. Or arrested

If he is in fact mentally ill, then this is not a trialsinlogic case, it’s just a ‘this guy shouldn’t be driving’ case.

And then the response is easy, he will not be getting a driver’s license because people that are mentally unstable / ill shouldn’t be driving….even in china, and having a person like that on the roads would be dangerous to all.
So the simple answer would be to report the bike stolen, if he gets arrested then so be it, but then he might be able to get off on a charge on the account of being mentally ill. 
He shouldn’t be driving a motorbike illegally anyway.

And if he’s not mentally ill, then he’s just stupid and whilst it is unfortunate that the bike has had problems it doesn’t mean that the previous owner should pay for everything… that’s just not how it works…ever.

So that option would be just ignore him, and if I see other groups that I’m in and he’s added… I will inform them, that this is a guy that’s likely to cause trouble and is not responsible for his own actions.

Which … also points in the direct that if he does have a crash on that bike… then ‘it definitely won’t be his fault’ so… yep, maybe reporting this bike stolen is the best option.

Chinese police don’t do an awful lot, so it’s unlikely that he’ll ever be caught, it’s just that if this idiot…does do something idiotic,…. as idiots often do… then the blame won’t be put on anyone else but himself.

I think that’s fair.

Holiday form for working from home

Working from home in the morning… and then coming into the office later, apparently I need to fill out a holiday form for approval to work at home.   But I wasn’t intending to work from home, when people from the company call you for conference calls preventing you from leaving the house on time…then you can’t come into the office and fill out a form so that you can stay at home to work.

And a holiday form?
I’m not on holiday.  That’s not my idea of a holiday, staying at home taking calls and bothering some director in America for pricing structures.   If I was going to take an actual holiday then I wouldn’t be doing any work.

If it’s all about coming into the office to show that you’re working….then I’ll come into the office and just set up a bed in the corner and go to sleep.  Hey I’m at the office….using their balls for brains logic….I must be working.



the definition of laowai 老外

See glossary definition

People have their own definitions of it, but it runs something along the lines of all European decent foreigners. This means, anyone that is white and ethnically from Europe, so English people, French, Americans, Germans, Australians, Canadians, Lithuanians….whatever.  But Black people don’t count.
Old/ respectful Outside…which is the literal meaning was only used when China went through its ‘learning from foreign talent abroad’ phase, which was when China still had an Emperor.  And I don’t mean Emperor Xi.
You may have noticed that black people don’t count.  And that’s because at the time that the Chinese first coined the term ‘Laowai’ they thought they were the centre of the world in terms of civilisation and culture and knowledge.  Everyone outside the borders of China were actually called 野蛮, 野人 savages, or ….鬼子。 Devil. Yeah that whole foreign devil thing…was real.
It worked in terms of geographical distance away from the borders of China. So the further you were from the cultural reach of China, the less civilised you were. And black people in Africa was about as far away from China as you could get.

So all this was until white foreigners came across and showed Chinese astrologists up in a few competitions that the Emperor at the time set about for accurately determining certain dates etc. Also for war machines and other useful inventions.  The Chinese at the time had to admit that there were some foreigners that had not been touched by the grace of Chinese civilisation that were as smart, if not smarter than they were.  So they gave these foreigners the term Lao wai 老外.  Lao 老meaning old, but also practiced & learned much like a teacher ie. Teacher is Laoshi 老师. And Wai 外meaning outside.

At that time…laowai really was a respectful way of saying foreigner. There is of course a bit of resentment, because it was these same laowai that forced the Chinese people to realise that their place in world wasn’t sitting at the top of civilisation that there could be people equally civilised and educated sitting at exactly the same level or even higher.  So this was a rude awakening for them. Something that of course anyone in that position would not be so happy about.

So what do they say for black people?  Well one is just 黑人 literally = Black person.
But they will call this to people even if they are obviously from the UK, France, US or whatever. Its not about their cultural background or how they associate themselves as what counts, merely that they are black, therefore Chinese people call them black.
Or… which seems to be used interchangeable unfortunately is 黑鬼 black devil.  Again its anyone that is foreign that they don’t like that they add in this 鬼 = devil. 日鬼子= Japanese devils.

Foreigners of all ethnic backgrounds can be called 洋鬼子 = yang gui zi, across the sea devils. (Foreign devils)
Essentially Chinese people were feeling pretty damn good about their place and standing in the world until they actually met other people that lived in the world and then realised that …shit….well the only way forward it to resent and hate everyone that is different… because you know… that makes sense.

To be fair, many cultures do this.  Let’s just name one….the UK.

By the way, when a foreign force occupied China for an entire dynasty…ie the Mongols, why is it that the Chinese don’t refer to them as savages or barbarians?  Well its because they think that Mongolian dynasty was actually just another Chinese dynasty, that the Chinese never gave into the Mongolian culture, than instead the Mongolians actually gave in to the Chinese culture…and that the height of China being conquered by Mongolia and Kublai Khan was actually the height of China conquering the world.  Kublai Khan actually modified official history by writing into the books back then and backtracking to give himself justification to rule by saying that Genghis Khan was in fact Chinese and that he was a ruler of China.

Brilliant! So the Chinese think that Genghis Khan was Chinese, and that the good things they got from the Mongolian Empire was actually Chinese innovation at work.  This includes the grid patterned streets and the forbidden city which is famous in Beijing.

So the Mongolians weren’t barbarians in the Chinese mind, they were actually Chinese, which means they were actually incredibly civilised.  Which they were to be fair. But considering how the Chinese treat the rest of foreigners…this is quite surprising.

Basically though the word is charged with negative emotions, so even though some people will tell you ‘it just means foreigner’   this is complete crap.

外国人 is politically correct term for foreigner. This actually just means Outside country people.

There is no 内国人 inside country person because…they’re just called Chinese.

The point with Chinese people’s perceptions of other people is that it really is a case of ‘them against us’.

Therefore, this combined with above is why you can often hear Chinese people saying ‘laowai, laowai’ , ‘laowai’s food is so bad’  even though they may be in a foreign country.

Laowai doesn’t actually mean foreigner to them, it’s not respective of where THEY are.  It just means anyone that is not Chinese.  Ethnically Chinese.

So in saying that, my Dutch friend who has grown up in the Netherlands, speaks Dutch and considers herself Dutch, is not Dutch in the Chinese people’s minds, because she is ethnically Chinese. Therefore, even when Chinese people are in the Netherlands, the Netherland native people are still ‘laowai’.

Brilliant right?

I hope this explains a bit about the logic of Chinese people, and shines some light onto the actual meaning of the word Laowai, and shows a bit of how Chinese see themselves in the world in terms of culture and civility.

I hope it also sets the record straight for any Chinese person who maybe not so surprisingly hasn’t thought enough about the words they use and that saying a word with a negative tone conveys a negative meaning.